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BillA Champion Author Portland Posts:11,175 Points:1,599,410 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Nov 3, 2005 9:20:39 AM Ignore BillA Report Abuse Ok, it's been going on for years and people still are fond of categorizing cars as foreign or domestic. But now "Dymer-Chrystler" has been own by the Germans for years now. Ford and Mazdas have cars made on the same assembly line the way that Mercury and Ford used too. Ford and Mazda "own 1/2 of each others stock" as of 1990. Chevy makes alot of their parts overseas I saw an ad for Honda last year that shocked me, they have more assembly plants IN America than overseas... which would make them more of a domestic than what used to be Crystler. SAD

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Ok, it's been going on for years and people still are fond of categorizing cars as foreign or domestic.
But now "Dymer-Chrystler" has been own by the Germans for years now.
Ford and Mazdas have cars made on the same assembly line the way that Mercury and Ford used too. Ford and Mazda "own 1/2 of each others stock" as of 1990.
Chevy makes alot of their parts overseas
I saw an ad for Honda last year that shocked me, they have more assembly plants IN America than overseas... which would make them more of a domestic than what used to be Crystler.
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CC Moderator	Message Posted: Mar 10, 2009 8:50:44 AM Ignore CC Report Abuse Please do not bump old, inactive topics. If a topic has been dead for two months or more, please do not post in it.
ready2save Rookie Author Portland Posts:1 Points:370 Joined:Mar 2009	Message Posted: Mar 9, 2009 6:36:12 PM Ignore ready2save Report Abuse crap. i can remember the Chevy Nova coming back to production as a Toyota/chevy joint venture in the 80s! It was a fiasco!!!! ALMOST AS BAD A PEOPLE LEARNING THAT MAZDA OWNED FORD!!!! HURRAH FOR IGNORANCE !!!
RollandW Champion Author Portland Posts:1,022 Points:188,350 Joined:Jan 2007	Message Posted: May 4, 2008 5:07:59 PM Ignore RollandW Report Abuse Sneakers55 "Everybody better want a small Chevy crossover, a to-be-announced Pontiac, or a small Cadillac, because that's what GM has scheduled for Lordstown (ohio) Assembly." Unless the "to-be-announced" doesn't suck and suck gas, GMC will lose money for another year. Will they ever learn????
champ777 Rookie Author Ontario Posts:11 Points:645 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Apr 28, 2008 9:08:00 PM Ignore champ777 Report Abuse To BillA..in fact most honda civics are produced in both plant one and two in alliston ontario. We make 2 door, 2 door Si, 4 door, 4 door si and acura CSX (canada only)
Sneakers55 Champion Author Houston Posts:51,862 Points:2,169,600 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: Apr 28, 2008 1:55:34 PM Ignore Sneakers55 Report Abuse BillA wrote: >But I'll bet you had to dig to find the part about moving production >to Mexico... while Chevy is shouting that the Cobalt is now assemble >mostly in America... they only whisper that next year those American >workers won't have those nice jobs. Everybody better want a small Chevy crossover, a to-be-announced Pontiac, or a small Cadillac, because that's what GM has scheduled for Lordstown Assembly.
SAVMOR Champion Author Colorado Posts:6,558 Points:1,420,190 Joined:Jun 2005	Message Posted: Apr 25, 2008 3:14:42 PM Ignore SAVMOR Report Abuse Their quality went down and the prices continued to go up and that is why Toyota just passed GMC like they did Ford earlier on. U.S. car companies are drained financially with their pension payouts so have to charge a lot more for lesser quality.
BillA Champion Author Portland Posts:11,175 Points:1,599,410 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Apr 25, 2008 1:21:58 PM Ignore BillA Report Abuse Sneakers55 wrote "Over the past few days, I've seen a commercial where they tout the Chevrolet Cobalt (disgusting little cramped car) is made in Lordstown, Ohio..." and "Buy your US-made Cobalt fast, because they've already announced the 2009 version will be coming from Mexico!" Like Chevy's HHR commercial "An American Tradition" should read "Hencho en Mexico" But I'll bet you had to dig to find the part about moving production to Mexico... while Chevy is shouting that the Cobalt is now assemble mostly in America... they only whisper that next year those American workers won't have those nice jobs.
Sneakers55 Champion Author Houston Posts:51,862 Points:2,169,600 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: Apr 24, 2008 8:54:13 PM Ignore Sneakers55 Report Abuse RollandW wrote: >Fords, Chrysters, and Chevy are now imported. Not all of them. Over the past few days, I've seen a commercial where they tout the Chevrolet Cobalt (disgusting little cramped car) is made in Lordstown, Ohio of "domestic and globally sourced parts." Read that as "engine from New York, transmission from Canada, lots and lots of parts from China." Buy your US-made Cobalt fast, because they've already announced the 2009 version will be coming from Mexico!
RollandW Champion Author Portland Posts:1,022 Points:188,350 Joined:Jan 2007	Message Posted: Apr 21, 2008 6:03:15 PM Ignore RollandW Report Abuse I AGREE, Many Chevys are imported from mexico, Most Fords and imported from Mexico. While hondas and subarus have their best cars made in America buy American workers. If you want to support America. Look for where the Jobs go, not the name!!!
ccoreyc Rookie Author Los Angeles Posts:11 Points:6,345 Joined:Apr 2006	Message Posted: Apr 19, 2008 3:25:27 PM Ignore ccoreyc Report Abuse Oh, what does it really matter....domestic or not, buy a car that suites your needs.Things have changed over time, so the importance of buying domestic doesn't carry the same weight it once did. American brand cars have been made better over the last twenty years, but still lack in quality to their foreign counterparts.
gophertortoise Champion Author Georgia Posts:1,242 Points:239,320 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Apr 18, 2008 9:30:17 PM Ignore gophertortoise Report Abuse National boundaries don't matter so much anymore. It's corporate territory that's more significant.
gcrebel60 Sophomore Author Mississippi Posts:193 Points:19,290 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Apr 18, 2008 8:59:28 PM Ignore gcrebel60 Report Abuse Yeah my '97 toyota tacoma was made in california, so i call it domestic. Of course all the parts came from japan and that's probably why it's lasted so long.
BillA Champion Author Portland Posts:11,175 Points:1,599,410 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Apr 18, 2008 7:09:10 PM Ignore BillA Report Abuse RoadRover, gcrebel60, My point exactly, people who clain loyalty to the brand of "Domestic" or "foreign" are idiots who are only fooling themselves. (sorry, to Pomonav10 and others) A car maker that creates American Jobs is "Domestic", Like the Honda Civic. A car that is made in Mexico is "Not American"! It seems quit simple and I'm sorry to Chevy HHR owners who want to argue that the commercials call it "American Tradition" even if it's made somewhere else. [Edited by: BillA at 4/18/2008 9:10:09 PM EST]
RoadRover Champion Author Jacksonville Posts:2,853 Points:405,415 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Apr 18, 2008 2:27:29 AM Ignore RoadRover Report Abuse I don't judge foreign or domestic anymore for that very reason. I look at only a few things. Size inside, fuel mileage, Consumer Reports Yearly book, whether it will last or breakdown a lot. This has served me well. My Nissan Sentra lasted until a van, (waited until the last second to), pull out in front of me = totalled my faithful little buddy. I bought a Hyundai Elantra and it is great car too. I also don't race and take care of them too. I think Saturn are made in Canada as well as in U.S.
Pomonav10 Champion Author Yakima Posts:11,002 Points:1,867,660 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: Apr 17, 2008 10:19:10 PM Ignore Pomonav10 Report Abuse Hard to say what one is anymore except to refer to place of brand ownership
gcrebel60 Sophomore Author Mississippi Posts:193 Points:19,290 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Apr 17, 2008 4:59:11 PM Ignore gcrebel60 Report Abuse The foreign cars are now being made here in the U.S. and domestic cars are made in Mexico and Canada. Sounds to me that foreign has changed to domestic and domestic has changed to foreign.
JIM33 Champion Author Ohio Posts:4,434 Points:514,935 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Apr 17, 2008 1:15:20 PM Ignore JIM33 Report Abuse I own a Saturn but I'm not sure what country makes it.
Checkthefacts Rookie Author Akron Posts:1 Points:120 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Apr 14, 2008 10:41:10 PM Ignore Checkthefacts Report Abuse 91Firebird-You mentioned that the "Sales-Weighted Content" of GM and Ford are close to 80 percent while Honda is 51 percent. This is an incredibly easy number to manipulate. Also, numerous other postings have mentioned that they support the companies that keep profits in America, to me this means you should definitely not be supporting the Big 3. GM has been posting massive losses for many years and yet still somehow manages to pay a dividend to their stock holders every year. How is this possible? The answer is the same as how do you manipulate "Sales Wieghted Content", it is simply a matter of intracompany transfer costs. This is the price at which one division of a company sells products to another division of the company. Since both divisions are owned by the same parent company and as a result the same investors it is a very simple matter to post a loss in one division and a profit in another. This decision is more often than not made on the simple basis of what country happens to have the most liberal tax policies. If you as GM have a Chinese subsidiary and China charges lower oorporate taxes than the US simple leave the profits in China and show a loss in the US. The far better measure of any car's domestic or foreign content is the number of parts made domestically not the accounted value of said parts. Quantity of parts is generally what equals jobs in manufacturing not value. It is very easy to manufacture a low quantity of high value, high precision parts with very few employees. It is more difficult to manufacture large quantity of medium to low value parts with few people. I have no information on the actual domestic or imported part counts for any car manufacturer but I think it would be very enlightening to learn what the numbers are. I would guess they are very closely guarded secrets.
91Firebird Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:4,586 Points:178,470 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Apr 14, 2008 8:47:24 PM Ignore 91Firebird Report Abuse You love this old dead thread, eh? ("get over it") Auto Trade Policy Council puts the sales-weighted content for GM and Ford close to 80 percent, with Chrysler at 74 percent. (Add Japanese subsidiary Mazda into the Ford mix, and its overall rating falls to 72 percent.) In comparison, Honda's sales-weighted content is 51 percent, with Nissan at 46 percent and Toyota at 40 percent. They assemble those American parts at factories in places like Michigan, Ohio, South Carolina, Georgia, etc. The resulting car was designed in a studio in Detroit, New York, or LA. Try and justify your purchase if you must, but your Honda is not an American car.
RollandW Champion Author Portland Posts:1,022 Points:188,350 Joined:Jan 2007	Message Posted: Apr 14, 2008 7:59:07 PM Ignore RollandW Report Abuse Get Over It. Honda is the among the LAST of the American built cars. Fords, Chrysters, and Chevy are now imported. It's been going on since the 80s but now there are no more "American built" cars except Saturn and Honda (and some toyotas).
BillA Champion Author Portland Posts:11,175 Points:1,599,410 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Mar 26, 2008 10:54:36 PM Ignore BillA Report Abuse But it's not American cars VS foreign cars because Toyota designs Chevys, Mazda is Ford, and Christler is Audi. American cars died when Jeep and AMC died. (jeep is now a German SUV. There are NO truly American cars, but the Honda Civic is mostly American built. [Edited by: BillA at 3/27/2008 12:54:57 AM EST]
SilverScort Champion Author Miami Posts:3,802 Points:482,365 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Mar 25, 2008 5:22:17 AM Ignore SilverScort Report Abuse All cars, not just American cars, do not have souls. They are just mass produced lemming mobiles. Every car looks just like the next one. My 98 Escort looks like an Escort. My 94 Tempo looks like a Tempo. My 06 Impala looks like an Accord which looks like an Infiniti. And why can't we get an interior that is not tan or grey? If American cars are going to reclaim their former glory, they need to make models which reflect that brands individuality.
BillA Champion Author Portland Posts:11,175 Points:1,599,410 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Mar 24, 2008 7:27:53 PM Ignore BillA Report Abuse LOL I just bought my wife a 96 Ford Contour, German design... MEXICAN MADE , Much better ratings than American cars [Edited by: BillA at 3/24/2008 9:28:52 PM EST]
moosemanCA Champion Author Oakland Posts:2,937 Points:482,725 Joined:Feb 2008	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2008 7:56:57 AM Ignore moosemanCA Report Abuse I have said it before give me a American truck that will last like my toyota that when I need a new vehicle I will give it a serious look
takedown8 Sophomore Author Hamilton Posts:138 Points:26,475 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2008 6:13:14 AM Ignore takedown8 Report Abuse Sorry to say, but if the American companies simply learned how to produce and assemble cars properly, there wouldn't be this problem.
BillA Champion Author Portland Posts:11,175 Points:1,599,410 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Mar 15, 2008 11:18:02 PM Ignore BillA Report Abuse That's the problem. As many have pointed out...cars today are "world cars" with Chevy and Toyota doing joint ventures, Ford is/owns/is owned by Mazda, and Chrystler/VW-Audi. There IS NO MORE PROFIT "STAYING IN AMERICA" A 71 Firebird would have been "American", An 81 could be Mostly American? I'll bet you need a metric wrench on any car "made in Amerika" today. Even the American Flags are made in China
91Firebird Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:4,586 Points:178,470 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Mar 13, 2008 8:23:43 PM Ignore 91Firebird Report Abuse Well, at least you got my screen name right this time. I know 7s and 9s look alike.... "Your firebird was ASSEMBLED in Cali, with electronic parts from Japan and other parts made wherever was cheap." And the R&D, testing, engine and transmission manufacturing being done in the US with 80+ percent American parts content and the profit staying mostly in the USA. Can you say the same of a Civic? THAT was my point. Since you needed clarification.... ">:)"
RollandW Champion Author Portland Posts:1,022 Points:188,350 Joined:Jan 2007	Message Posted: Mar 12, 2008 6:29:26 PM Ignore RollandW Report Abuse sorry, 91firebird, but I guess you didn't read the posts (or the internet) Your firebird was ASSEMBLED in Cali, with electronic parts from Japan and other parts made wherever was cheap. Saturns are as "domestic" as all the big American name toys that are being recalled because their factories (in China) used lead paint. The Honda Civic Is as American as your Saturn, and more American than many of todays "domestics"... as was stated earlier buy others with knowledge. Guess you're still looking like a fool. >:) the1roadhog "Its a world economy." bingo! Imports are as American as Domestics [Edited by: RollandW at 3/12/2008 8:31:46 PM EST]
the1roadhog Champion Author Atlanta Posts:9,949 Points:2,081,505 Joined:Jun 2007	Message Posted: Mar 11, 2008 6:31:44 AM Ignore the1roadhog Report Abuse It's a world economy.
91Firebird Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:4,586 Points:178,470 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Mar 10, 2008 8:21:40 PM Ignore 91Firebird Report Abuse Rolland, my Firebird was made in Cali. My Alero was made in Michigan, as was my wife's Mustang. Her previous car was a Saturn SC2 built in Tennessee. Since that plant is retooling to the coming Chevy Traverse, current Saturns are built in Delaware. Guess you didn't get the memo.
RollandW Champion Author Portland Posts:1,022 Points:188,350 Joined:Jan 2007	Message Posted: Mar 10, 2008 8:08:16 PM Ignore RollandW Report Abuse "BMW plans to increase US production while cutting workers Monday, March 10, 2008 CBC News -- COLUMBIA, South Carolina - BMW says it will cut 7.5 per cent of its work force in Germany over two years while increasing production in the U.S. by more than 50 per cent by 2012." To hell with "me generation", wetsteam, Honda, toyota, and now BMW, are mosty made in America, Ford and Chevy are made in Mexico, Canada, China, whereever. Christler gave up being American (hail Germany) with great fanfair , Ford and Chevy were mot secretive about giving up being domestic in the 1980s. Guess you didn't get the memo.... American cars/toys and whatever are now made in China or Mexico!!!!
RollandW Champion Author Portland Posts:1,022 Points:188,350 Joined:Jan 2007	Message Posted: Mar 10, 2008 8:07:50 PM Ignore RollandW Report Abuse "BMW plans to increase US production while cutting workers Monday, March 10, 2008 CBC News -- COLUMBIA, South Carolina - BMW says it will cut 7.5 per cent of its work force in Germany over two years while increasing production in the U.S. by more than 50 per cent by 2012." To hell with "me generation", wetsteam, Honda, toyota, and now BMW, are mosty made in America, Ford and Chevy are made in Mexico, Canada, China, whereever. Christler gave up being American (hial Germany) with great fanfair , Ford and Chevy were mot secretivy about giving up being domestic in the 1980s. Guess you didn't get the memo.... American cars/toys and whatever are now made in China or Mexico!!!!
wctsteam Champion Author New Jersey Posts:1,538 Points:219,045 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Mar 8, 2008 10:31:51 AM Ignore wctsteam Report Abuse me generation - why buy american when I can buy a Japanese car...someday we will all pay the price for this mentality
RollandW Champion Author Portland Posts:1,022 Points:188,350 Joined:Jan 2007	Message Posted: Mar 7, 2008 3:49:24 PM Ignore RollandW Report Abuse All products seem to be that way these days. Made in China, but (packaged in America), is big thing in "poison" toys, pet food, and toothpaste. Read carefully in everything you use! The things we take for grated as "Assembled in American" are having parts coming from 3rd world countries.
BillA Champion Author Portland Posts:11,175 Points:1,599,410 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Mar 3, 2008 10:49:45 PM Ignore BillA Report Abuse true, almostrice, but the profits go to stockholders, workers, and suppliers. I'm still figuring Honda is more domestic than the Chevy. (many chevys are made in Mexico)
almostrice Champion Author Houston Posts:7,843 Points:1,646,215 Joined:Sep 2003	Message Posted: Feb 27, 2008 10:04:24 PM Ignore almostrice Report Abuse Since the definition is based on where the profits go, I support the guy that build me a car worth buying.
irishshanty Sophomore Author Vermont Posts:172 Points:26,515 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: Feb 27, 2008 10:55:24 AM Ignore irishshanty Report Abuse yes.
Glenniemae Sophomore Author New York Posts:121 Points:1,702,225 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Feb 27, 2008 10:28:48 AM Ignore Glenniemae Report Abuse With Japanese and Korean cars being assembled in the USA and some cars being built in Canada and elsewhere plus cars being owned by different companies how do you tell what is foreign or domestic. Volvo is owned by Ford. Hondas and some Toyotas are made in the USA to name a few. [Edited by: Glenniemae at 2/27/2008 12:29:57 PM EST]
RollandW Champion Author Portland Posts:1,022 Points:188,350 Joined:Jan 2007	Message Posted: Feb 25, 2008 1:01:33 PM Ignore RollandW Report Abuse my daughter had a Dodge Omni, it was a crap foreign car with a German engine and an American name plate. Little wonder why Dodge mechanics couldn't figure it out. The Audi logo was stamped right on the engine of her Omni. (I think it was also called the Plymouth Horizon and maybe the VW Golf)
Jay4Runner Champion Author Oakland Posts:10,846 Points:2,344,940 Joined:Apr 2004	Message Posted: Feb 23, 2008 11:53:49 AM Ignore Jay4Runner Report Abuse Well, one example of what happened to the Big Three is when I bought a NEW 1984 Dodge Omni. Within a month it started having major issues at freeway speeds and would lose about half power. After three attempts to repair it Dodge decided to keep my money and not help. It was a Lemon and they lost my business and that of 5,000 of my friends for the past 24 years. Hmmmm, imagine the lost sales Dodge. And all you had to do was step up to the plate and back up your product. Since then Honda and Toyota have benefited to the tune of more than 75 car and truck sales in my immediate family alone. As for my 2002 Tacoma, it was built in Fremont California. Ha! [Edited by: Jay4Runner at 2/23/2008 1:55:03 PM EST]
the1roadhog Champion Author Atlanta Posts:9,949 Points:2,081,505 Joined:Jun 2007	Message Posted: Feb 21, 2008 7:44:27 AM Ignore the1roadhog Report Abuse The big and interesting question remains: Is your foreign car made in America AND is your American car made in a foreign (Mexico-Canada) country? Quite the paradox.
BillA Champion Author Portland Posts:11,175 Points:1,599,410 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Feb 16, 2008 9:57:44 AM Ignore BillA Report Abuse Well yes, and with "merger" vehicles (foreign and domestic sometimes share the same assembly line) Examples of this were Ford Escort/Mazda GLC, and now the Probe. The Chevy Nova made a weak comeback in the 80s with the help of Toyota but the most popular Chevys are currently imported from Mexico. Jeep is German owned? Oh the Irony!
RollandW Champion Author Portland Posts:1,022 Points:188,350 Joined:Jan 2007	Message Posted: Feb 16, 2008 8:44:55 AM Ignore RollandW Report Abuse indyjim "In today's terminology domestic or foreign has to do with where the profits end up more than where vehicles are manufactured." True, but with once you count investors, employee wages, and origin or parts it's pretty hard to call any car maker truly domestic. I say a commercial for "America's Top car, The Civic" yesterday. Seems sadly true. 71firebird "Please do not bump old inactive topics." LOL nice bump, 71!
indyjim Champion Author Indianapolis Posts:10,268 Points:2,347,130 Joined:Jul 2006	Message Posted: Feb 15, 2008 7:17:21 AM Ignore indyjim Report Abuse In today's terminology domestic or foreign has to do with where the profits end up more than where vehicles are manufactured. Since GM just reported the "biggest loss in automotive history" it doesn't appear as if the home team will have a winning streak for a long time. It's amazing what greed will do to a company.
91Firebird Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:4,586 Points:178,470 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Feb 15, 2008 6:21:57 AM Ignore 91Firebird Report Abuse "Please do not bump old inactive topics."
BillA Champion Author Portland Posts:11,175 Points:1,599,410 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Feb 15, 2008 12:25:24 AM Ignore BillA Report Abuse The fact remains that there is NO auto company that is Fully American owned. Ford, Chevy, and Chrysler do all have major foreign investors. While Honda and Toyota have huge American ties. To claim any car is "foreign" or "domestic" based on the brand is just ignorant.
Sneakers55 Champion Author Houston Posts:51,862 Points:2,169,600 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: Feb 6, 2008 6:44:28 PM Ignore Sneakers55 Report Abuse beemerguy wrote: >Chrysler is no longer owned by the Germans and haven't been for >some time now... Daimler still has a minority interest (19.9%) in Chrysler LLC.
RollandW Champion Author Portland Posts:1,022 Points:188,350 Joined:Jan 2007	Message Posted: Feb 6, 2008 6:10:38 PM Ignore RollandW Report Abuse True, Chrystler may be now America owned... But Chevy is America owned and most of their cars are assembled in Mexico.... Is Chevy More domestic than the American built Honda Civic, Mazdas, and Toyotas????? What makes a car domestic? Where it is built. Many Fords and Chevys are true imports.
BillA Champion Author Portland Posts:11,175 Points:1,599,410 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Jan 29, 2008 5:07:00 PM Ignore BillA Report Abuse LOL! , beemerguy, the posts on Chrysler were correct at the times of posting. The Info that Many "Imports" are made with American labor and many Fords and Chevys... are imported are both correct. The 1994 Dodge Omni was made by VW/Audi BEFORE the buyout. Ford Probe and Escorts rolled off the same assembly lines as Mazdas at that time. Those are facts of History. The Chevy HHC ("an American Tradition" the commercials said) is all import. American workers make most of Honda Civics. If you want to worry about "inaccuracies" you need to do the research first.
the1roadhog Champion Author Atlanta Posts:9,949 Points:2,081,505 Joined:Jun 2007	Message Posted: Jan 22, 2008 7:12:05 AM Ignore the1roadhog Report Abuse First, it's a world economy. Secondly, there are many American nameplates made in Canada and Mexico so does that make them foreign? Then, there are Japanese nameplates made here in the USA so to me, it's a matter of semantics.