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At doomed Peugeot plant, talk of betrayal and war

Reuters -- Auto body painter Kamel Yousfi's extended family emigrated from Algeria to work for Peugeot-Citroen in the 1970s. So news that the factory outside Paris where he has worked for most of his adult life will close came as an unforgiveable betrayal.

His emotional response: to declare "war" on the company.

Yousfi's rage reflected the attitudes of dozens of unionized workers at the sprawling plant in the suburb of Aulnay-sous-Bois as they digested Thursday's announcement that their workplace would be shuttered in 2014.

The furious response to the closure, which loss-making PSA Peugeot says is necessary due to overcapacity, stems partly from a Marxist-inspired union culture that casts relations between workers and management as a zero-sum class struggle.

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Submitted Jul 14, 2012 By: Mudsprings

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honda0105 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:18,632 Points:1,610,495 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Jul 18, 2012 4:03:23 AM Ignore honda0105 Report Abuse Old companies, didn't keep up with the times.
MikeMotorhead All-Star Author Detroit Posts:752 Points:528,155 Joined:Oct 2009	Message Posted: Jul 15, 2012 9:39:08 PM Ignore MikeMotorhead Report Abuse tomok, I doubt you would feel that way if it was your job/company going away.
tomok Champion Author Portland Posts:33,034 Points:2,346,485 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Jul 15, 2012 3:28:28 AM Ignore tomok Report Abuse It's much better being pissed off than pissed on. If the car company cannot make a profit, there is no sense of it being in business. This is the way a normal business and economy works. Things are developed, people see a need and the product comes into use and then other things are no longer needed, can't make a profit and fades away. The same exact thing has happened in the US and many other countries. Build quality stuff at a reasonable price and the company will stay in business. That's life in today's and past economies, deal with it! Do Not rely on the government to help you, help yourself with your own sweat and determination. Whatever the size or shape of the vehicle, Produce and ‘Drive’ vehicles with high MPG, are very safe, reliable, have a ‘reasonable’ cost and a good ‘value’ for the money. Consider using other forms of less expensive transportation to lower your cost. The price of fuel at the pump is too high! 12/22/2012!
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NorthglennBill Champion Author Denver Posts:7,427 Points:1,472,920 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Jul 14, 2012 10:32:47 PM Ignore NorthglennBill Report Abuse Wasn't there about the same attitude in Detroit a couple of years ago. And where did that get the - bankruptcy.
GordoM Champion Author Detroit Posts:1,005 Points:994,785 Joined:Nov 2006	Message Posted: Jul 14, 2012 10:26:11 PM Ignore GordoM Report Abuse "zero-sum class struggle". What a sad simplistic economic philosophy. There is no free lunch. Every business must compete in a world marketplace. If government, labor, or any factor demands too much, the business must eventually go elsewhere or die.
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