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B.C. says no to pipeline? NWT premier says Alberta should look North for pipeline route

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The premier of the Northwest Territories suggests the Alberta government should consider looking North rather than west for a pipeline route to Asian markets.

Premier Bob McLeod told CBC Radio’s The House on Saturday, “If we can’t go south, if we can’t go to Asia, if we can’t go to the United States, if we can’t go east, then we have to look at all of our options, which could include a northern route.”

But, an aboriginal business leader in the Northwest Territories said that plan is full of holes.

The $5.5-billion Enbridge Northern Gateway Pipeline project, which would transport raw Alberta bitumen to a west-coast port at Kitimat, B.C., is facing major backlash from B.C. Premier Christy Clark, First Nations whose territory the pipeline would cross and, according to recent polls,

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honda0105 Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:18,650 Points:1,612,445 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Aug 10, 2012 4:29:11 AM Ignore honda0105 Report Abuse someone needs to step back. Sounds like a bad marriage that's gone worse and neither side is willing to admit their own flaws.
LetemEatCake Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:5,615 Points:1,207,555 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Aug 7, 2012 10:27:00 PM Ignore LetemEatCake Report Abuse "we must be diligent in our quest for energy and protecting our environment."....CdnLynx. Then lets be diligent with renewable energy and leave the pipelines to you folks! Not here in the US. [Edited by: LetemEatCake at 8/8/2012 12:27:39 AM EST]
sparky808 Champion Author Honolulu Posts:3,018 Points:601,635 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: Aug 7, 2012 11:19:36 AM Ignore sparky808 Report Abuse Thank you for posting.
GatorGuy Champion Author Columbia Posts:2,238 Points:1,209,945 Joined:Jan 2009	Message Posted: Aug 7, 2012 10:12:41 AM Ignore GatorGuy Report Abuse Why are we saying no to oil? There must be a common sense solution...reroute a little and get the pipeling built already!
CdnLynx Champion Author Ontario Posts:1,025 Points:526,680 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Aug 7, 2012 12:02:34 AM Ignore CdnLynx Report Abuse Yes Canada has Tar sands, it also has conventional oil that comes from oil rigs, predominately in Alberta, but also in Sask and B.C. and N.W.T. If tar sands were a"a very low net energy value" suspect they would not be putting that much effort into mining the tar sands. You Tube also has video footage from LicenseToDrill jrsva - would it be fair of me to make comments (rhetoric), like State of Virgina is only good for dirty tobacco; would that be a fair assessment; suspect your comment would be; that is a unfair assumption; you would be correct. Don't fixate on TarSands or dirty oil, etc. and its corresponding rhetoric; pipelines are for conventional crude oil also. this time they’re drilling for black gold in the frozen land of the Canadian North. After last season’s monster gas discovery, MGM Energy Corp. gambles on a wildcat oil well just south of the Arctic Circle. Penn West Exploration has a different strategy; they’re drilling in an old oil reservoir, betting new technology will unlock another bonanza. [Edited by: CdnLynx at 8/7/2012 2:06:56 AM EST]
CdnLynx Champion Author Ontario Posts:1,025 Points:526,680 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Aug 6, 2012 11:27:04 PM Ignore CdnLynx Report Abuse Bringing the N.W.T into this by the politicians is beyond ridiculous; The northern territories would only be good if we wanted to sell to the polar bears. This route is full of too many hazards. This is beyond ridiculous; only proves to the stupidity of politicians. Presently this is a fight between provinces and the First Nations; (First Nations within Canada have more autonomy then in America); this is posturing by factions trying to gain greater economic benefits, really believe this is out of Cdn. federal hands (only Cdn. Constitutional lawyers can say for sure), suspect Ottawa could bring pressure to bear on the squabbling factions. Canadians are no different then the republicans or democrats in U.S., with their political posturing. Your just beginning to see Canadians and their democratic fighting between parties; we Cdns have been witnessing American politics for a very long time; America is seeing that Cdn's are the little mouse in bed with a gigantic elephant.
jrsva Champion Author Virginia Posts:9,873 Points:1,616,250 Joined:Jan 2006	Message Posted: Aug 6, 2012 11:15:45 PM Ignore jrsva Report Abuse Hopefully another nail in the coffin for this unworthy Albertan substitute for oil. If PM Harper had Canada’s best interests in mind he would leave that nasty stuff in the ground. Extraction of bitumen from the tar sands requires huge amounts of energy and water, leaving an environmental waste land. The product is the dirtiest oil known and has a very low net energy value. Perhaps future generations will find a way to develop it responsibly. That is not possible now.
CdnLynx Champion Author Ontario Posts:1,025 Points:526,680 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Aug 6, 2012 11:07:29 PM Ignore CdnLynx Report Abuse PurpleBear - Why should they build refineries in N. Dakota, when the refineries on the Gulf coast are not at capacity. Your own logic, what makes you think, you will not get any oil. Shipping oil by any other route outside of American territory would only increase the likelihood of oil not being refined and/or utilized in America; even though info from the "Trans Mountain pipeline" article refutes that. Shipping the oil to the Gulf would make it easier for America to utilize their other internal pipelines to American markets/consumers. Maintaining pipelines and actively refining raw crude are not temporary jobs. Building pipelines anywhere in the world are basically temporary; never forget the on-going maintenance required and the manpower required for the refineries. They won't be Cdn's working in the U.S on either maint. or refining. Your own laws prevent Cdn's usually from getting green cards. "LetemEatCake" I am surprised you would rubber stamped this fallacy; realize you are a conservationist, that is a good thing, I agreed with with conservation however we need petroleum products and we must be diligent in our quest for energy and protecting our environment.
NHLiveFree Champion Author New Hampshire Posts:11,119 Points:1,626,150 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Aug 6, 2012 10:55:01 PM Ignore NHLiveFree Report Abuse True desperation now by PM Harper and his band of Merry Albertan business leaders. Now they want to drag done the environment of the NWT and have made Premier McLeod delusional too. Where is your port to handle all the caustic crude Mr. McLeod??? Of course you can redirect some of the heat residue from burning all that natural gas in Alberta to manage an ice free port, if you build one!
CdnLynx Champion Author Ontario Posts:1,025 Points:526,680 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Aug 6, 2012 10:44:56 PM Ignore CdnLynx Report Abuse There is too much rhetoric re: shipping oil to China. Presently Cdn. oil via the "Trans Mountain" pipeline is being loaded on Tankers in B.C for delivery to California refineries. Do people really believe that Saudi Arabia only sells their oil only to one country. They don't, they sell to many. So, if and when Cdn. pipelines are expanded to handle a greater qty of Cdn. oil, there is a good chance that oil would be shipped world wide; not specifically earmarked to only one country. Trans Mountain: The other Pacific pipeline The question of corrosive oil, well, what are people grasping at here; are they the comments and agenda's of the opponents of the oil industry. Both sides of the fence here have their own agendas; take everything with a grain of skepticism. Little tired of both pro and anti oil, using facts and figures garnered from possibly biased or false agencies/org. I do know raw crude must be cleaned and refined prior to becoming usable petroleum products. Please keep all things in perspective and think about who is saying what and whether they may have hidden agendas. Think then form an opinion. The world is a global enterprise with global trade; even America ships products (including raw materials, wheat etc) to China. Pipelines, whether to the U.S or to B.C are easier, safer and cheaper!
LetemEatCake Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:5,615 Points:1,207,555 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Aug 6, 2012 10:20:54 PM Ignore LetemEatCake Report Abuse Nor will they ever get the First Peoples behind this! Very well said Purplebears! Totally agree!
purplebears Champion Author Milwaukee Posts:9,060 Points:1,165,680 Joined:May 2009	Message Posted: Aug 6, 2012 10:14:58 PM Ignore purplebears Report Abuse People on this thread seem to believe that this oil is for the US. Unless I've missed a report or something we haven't and will not be purchasing a drop. The Canadians want the Keystone pipeline because it is easier to build it across the terrain of the Great Plains as opposed to trying to build it across the Rockies and the coastal fault lines. If Canada intended to sell the oil to the U.S., they could simply pipe it to North Dakota where refineries could be built to satisfy the northern and Midwestern market of the U.S. The real reasons they want the pipeline built all the way to the gulf coast is that it is easier to fill tankers for foreign distribution and export beyond the U.S. This is set to be refined into diesel which will get a better price in S. America, Europe and Asia, not the US. So the pipeline to Houston is strictly for the profits of the oil companies and these profits will be held overseas and not be subject to tax. So outside a few thousand temporary jobs, that's all this pipeline will provide the American middle class. The pipeline itself has very little long term benefit to the U.S. As for the 1%, well that means more gains in their stock portfolio … after all, isn't that what politics is all about?
Amtrgas Champion Author Oakland Posts:2,678 Points:1,624,320 Joined:Dec 2007	Message Posted: Aug 6, 2012 10:07:50 PM Ignore Amtrgas Report Abuse The Keystone project is probability the best option. The details just have to be ironed out.
MDTDriver Champion Author California Posts:9,744 Points:2,158,545 Joined:Jul 2006	Message Posted: Aug 6, 2012 9:58:23 PM Ignore MDTDriver Report Abuse Thier choice.
Saunch2012 Veteran Author Pennsylvania Posts:451 Points:111,105 Joined:May 2012	Message Posted: Aug 6, 2012 9:55:35 PM Ignore Saunch2012 Report Abuse ok
DandyDapple All-Star Author North Dakota Posts:715 Points:313,070 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Aug 6, 2012 9:54:24 PM Ignore DandyDapple Report Abuse heheheheh
Tekkersmom57 Champion Author Syracuse Posts:1,894 Points:704,115 Joined:May 2010	Message Posted: Aug 6, 2012 9:53:32 PM Ignore Tekkersmom57 Report Abuse Keystone needs to be built.
jferrara41 All-Star Author Pennsylvania Posts:598 Points:110,665 Joined:Apr 2012	Message Posted: Aug 6, 2012 9:53:27 PM Ignore jferrara41 Report Abuse ok
VernonOR Champion Author Oregon Posts:2,928 Points:740,005 Joined:Aug 2010	Message Posted: Aug 6, 2012 9:52:10 PM Ignore VernonOR Report Abuse Hope B.C. says no to oil, which is intended for China.
mdskier Champion Author Maryland Posts:9,950 Points:1,785,715 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Aug 6, 2012 9:43:47 PM Ignore mdskier Report Abuse The Exxon Valdiz spill was nothing like what will happen if a Supertanker loaded with oil & headed to asia runs aground on the pristine BC coast.
Is246 Champion Author Albuquerque Posts:1,019 Points:428,710 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Aug 6, 2012 9:43:22 PM Ignore Is246 Report Abuse Interesting.
Blue48 Champion Author Illinois Posts:7,325 Points:1,641,845 Joined:Feb 2007	Message Posted: Aug 6, 2012 9:39:55 PM Ignore Blue48 Report Abuse GOOD FOR YOU B.C.!
defiancegasman Champion Author Ohio Posts:7,080 Points:1,323,260 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Aug 6, 2012 9:36:25 PM Ignore defiancegasman Report Abuse Pipeline to EXPORT their ENERGY FUTURE SECURITY?? NO WAY!!
mikaye Champion Author Cleveland Posts:3,849 Points:868,335 Joined:Jun 2010	Message Posted: Aug 6, 2012 9:35:58 PM Ignore mikaye Report Abuse not in my backyard
kelly1016 Champion Author Victoria Posts:1,953 Points:352,940 Joined:Oct 2011	Message Posted: Aug 6, 2012 9:35:39 PM Ignore kelly1016 Report Abuse Red green I think you do not know the geography of your own country very well. Please tell me which port located in the NWT is capable of handling 200 Supertankers per year. Keep in mind the only ocean they border is the Arctic Ocean which is frozen much of the year. I know global warming may get the ocean thawed eventually but not likely within thirty years. [Edited by: kelly1016 at 8/6/2012 11:36:53 PM EST]
WBBNC Veteran Author North Carolina Posts:499 Points:488,640 Joined:Jan 2011	Message Posted: Aug 6, 2012 9:34:05 PM Ignore WBBNC Report Abuse At least they are trying (looking for a solution)!
Focus2 Champion Author Illinois Posts:7,896 Points:1,920,520 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Aug 6, 2012 9:34:03 PM Ignore Focus2 Report Abuse No one wants that corrosive raw Bitumen going through a pipeline crossing their lands. Create jobs by building a refinery right on the spot and everyone will want the products from it. Maybe, they should drill through the earth and pipe it to China that way (:>).
gavinON All-Star Author Toronto Posts:562 Points:112,935 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Aug 6, 2012 9:32:41 PM Ignore gavinON Report Abuse hmmm
bra0712 Champion Author Arizona Posts:3,680 Points:771,495 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Aug 6, 2012 9:30:40 PM Ignore bra0712 Report Abuse Give up already
s6sputnik Champion Author Austin Posts:6,222 Points:1,310,380 Joined:Jun 2007	Message Posted: Aug 6, 2012 9:28:36 PM Ignore s6sputnik Report Abuse Great!
kelly1016 Champion Author Victoria Posts:1,953 Points:352,940 Joined:Oct 2011	Message Posted: Aug 6, 2012 9:28:12 PM Ignore kelly1016 Report Abuse Wayoung56 Are you referring to the communist Chinese who are busting this oil?
WIWalt Champion Author Wisconsin Posts:1,746 Points:419,495 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Aug 6, 2012 9:27:19 PM Ignore WIWalt Report Abuse really?
bonzoonfmb Champion Author Florida Posts:1,792 Points:646,535 Joined:Feb 2010	Message Posted: Aug 6, 2012 9:25:47 PM Ignore bonzoonfmb Report Abuse Just offer more money.
abcdMA Champion Author Worcester Posts:7,942 Points:1,578,880 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Aug 6, 2012 9:24:16 PM Ignore abcdMA Report Abuse build Keystone
Bleeder Champion Author Virginia Posts:8,038 Points:1,701,125 Joined:Jan 2008	Message Posted: Aug 6, 2012 9:24:14 PM Ignore Bleeder Report Abuse Can blame the Canadians for starting to look at other options.
abacus44 Champion Author Toms River Posts:3,495 Points:750,665 Joined:Jan 2011	Message Posted: Aug 6, 2012 9:22:04 PM Ignore abacus44 Report Abuse Just get Keystone built!
Somis1 Champion Author Ventura Posts:13,701 Points:2,617,700 Joined:Jul 2005	Message Posted: Aug 6, 2012 9:21:40 PM Ignore Somis1 Report Abuse I hope that after November 6th they will be able to plan on U.S. route for it.
Pramodsharma Champion Author Richmond Posts:1,979 Points:389,115 Joined:Feb 2012	Message Posted: Aug 6, 2012 9:21:33 PM Ignore Pramodsharma Report Abuse Focus on Asian market,like we dump our electronic waste Canada dump your fossil waste.
kelly1016 Champion Author Victoria Posts:1,953 Points:352,940 Joined:Oct 2011	Message Posted: Aug 6, 2012 9:19:43 PM Ignore kelly1016 Report Abuse People may want to read this article to get more of a flavor of the issues here www.thestar.com/news/insight/article/text deleted
silverfoxv65 Champion Author Michigan Posts:4,495 Points:1,232,975 Joined:Sep 2009	Message Posted: Aug 6, 2012 9:19:14 PM Ignore silverfoxv65 Report Abuse I just wish they would quit walking all over people.
serrog Champion Author Nova Scotia Posts:5,584 Points:1,516,130 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Aug 6, 2012 9:18:05 PM Ignore serrog Report Abuse Green disaster
wayoung56 Champion Author Alabama Posts:2,820 Points:822,235 Joined:Oct 2006	Message Posted: Aug 6, 2012 9:17:37 PM Ignore wayoung56 Report Abuse I guess the environmental tree hugging wacko commies like high energy prices much more than the rest of us do...
suzmar Champion Author Texas Posts:2,214 Points:874,980 Joined:Jun 2006	Message Posted: Aug 6, 2012 9:17:05 PM Ignore suzmar Report Abuse The same people that don't want a pipeline are complaining about high fuel prices and blaming greedy energy corporations.
LostToo Champion Author Illinois Posts:4,392 Points:975,315 Joined:May 2009	Message Posted: Aug 6, 2012 9:10:33 PM Ignore LostToo Report Abuse What is the matter with that pipe? Nobody seems to want it. Makes me think maybe Oboma is not so dumb...... NOoooooo he is still a dumba$$.
blazerbob91 Champion Author Milwaukee Posts:6,160 Points:1,886,595 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Aug 6, 2012 9:08:32 PM Ignore blazerbob91 Report Abuse To many enviromental groups are getting involved
tco9436 Champion Author Connecticut Posts:1,782 Points:724,975 Joined:Mar 2010	Message Posted: Aug 6, 2012 9:07:08 PM Ignore tco9436 Report Abuse Here we go!
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DustyHorse Champion Author Virginia Posts:6,103 Points:1,394,770 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Aug 6, 2012 9:02:54 PM Ignore DustyHorse Report Abuse Good luck. Maybe they can build the pipeline when the US gets a new president.