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Ford, GM Team Up on Transmissions

Design News -- General Motors and Ford Motor Co. are preparing to jointly develop nine- and 10-speed vehicle transmissions to help them meet future fuel economy standards. Although neither has yet made a formal announcement, the two automotive giants have signed a memorandum of understanding that would enable them to work cooperatively on transmissions that might be ready for production as early as 2015.

"We think they will be phased in from 2015 to 2017 across Ford's and GM's product lineups," Mike Omotoso, senior manager of global powertrain for LMC Automotive US Inc., said in an interview.

The joint development effort would be a big step forward for both companies, neither of which currently offers more than six speeds in a production vehicle.

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doctorindyj Champion Author Santa Fe Posts:3,448 Points:839,585 Joined:Nov 2009	Message Posted: Oct 15, 2012 8:44:16 AM Ignore doctorindyj Report Abuse Hope they look at the lessons learned from Apple and Microsoft's collaborations in the 80's and 90's. That's usually what happens when two giants collaborate on patentable technologies. We'll see.
bston Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:1,815 Points:641,300 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Oct 14, 2012 3:38:03 PM Ignore bston Report Abuse At times, I think we'd be better off with 10-speed bicycles.
car253 Champion Author Ohio Posts:6,293 Points:1,468,620 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Oct 14, 2012 8:41:10 AM Ignore car253 Report Abuse Good move, they worked together on the six speed transmissions.
MAC48 Champion Author Dallas Posts:1,546 Points:765,945 Joined:Dec 2006	Message Posted: Oct 14, 2012 2:47:35 AM Ignore MAC48 Report Abuse The introduction of nine-speed and 10-speed vehicle transmissions across all of the vehicles made by Ford and GM makes sense since it will result in around a 10% improvement in fuel mileage. If the to be developed nine-speed and 10-speed vehicle transmissions are as reliable as the four, five and six speed transmissions we are familiar with, then even higher speed transmissions will be welcome assuming that the cost of the new higher speed transmissions are not prohibitive when compared to our current transmissions.
alterman156 Champion Author New York Posts:7,485 Points:1,556,775 Joined:Dec 2008	Message Posted: Oct 13, 2012 11:35:05 PM Ignore alterman156 Report Abuse I wouldn't be surprised that other automakers will jointly develop new transmissions.
Amplion Champion Author Oregon Posts:6,767 Points:1,865,060 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Oct 13, 2012 11:25:03 PM Ignore Amplion Report Abuse So GM is going to teach FORD how to build transmissions, good idea - long needed. In return, FORD should teach GM how to build an engine !!!!! Seems to me the BEST IDEA would be to buy a DODGE CHALLENGER !!!
goldrose1 Champion Author Cleveland Posts:10,936 Points:1,924,605 Joined:Feb 2005	Message Posted: Oct 13, 2012 10:54:51 PM Ignore goldrose1 Report Abuse They have to increase efficiency to raise mpg our government is requiring.
ShadowACE Champion Author Boston Posts:9,018 Points:2,149,575 Joined:Jun 2006	Message Posted: Oct 13, 2012 10:40:19 PM Ignore ShadowACE Report Abuse Blue Cruzer said: "Nine and ten speed transmissions?" Certainly. They already have seven and eight speeds in some of the new cars. Big trucks have had 10, 13, 18 and more speed transmissions for some time. The objective is to keep the engine in the sweet part of its power band (RPM range) to maximize efficiency. With fewer speeds (gear ranges) in the transmission you're going to pass through that optimum RPM band before you're able to shift up to the next gear, or you'll shift too soon and your RPM will drop below the optimum range and you'll lose power and may need to shift back down to the lower gear, especially on a hill. More gears (speeds) in the transmission allow you to keep the engine RPM in its optimum range. You need to shift more times but you're always in the sweet part of the RPM range for your engine to perform at its best. If you've ever followed a BIG truck with a HEAVY load up a hill from a stop you've probably noticed that it only went 10 or 15 yards between shifts for the first five or six gears. It can be a lot of work for the truck driver with a manual 12 or 18-speed transmission, but it's a piece of cake for the person driving the BMW with their 7-speed or the Chrysler/Dodge with their 8-speed automatic.
Dreamer4one5 Sophomore Author Amarillo Posts:158 Points:101,980 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: Oct 13, 2012 10:36:20 PM Ignore Dreamer4one5 Report Abuse More tranny issues in the future? Maybe I will just drive a KW. . .
diesel8888 Champion Author Salt Lake City Posts:1,191 Points:358,540 Joined:Nov 2011	Message Posted: Oct 13, 2012 10:31:51 PM Ignore diesel8888 Report Abuse Ok
Badjef Champion Author Florida Posts:4,040 Points:816,865 Joined:Jan 2011	Message Posted: Oct 13, 2012 10:25:34 PM Ignore Badjef Report Abuse I see a time when there will be virtually unlimited "gears" for a transmission.
TheSicilian Champion Author Jacksonville Posts:5,374 Points:1,469,525 Joined:Feb 2009	Message Posted: Oct 13, 2012 10:25:27 PM Ignore TheSicilian Report Abuse work together
malfrog1 Champion Author South Bend Posts:2,196 Points:549,010 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Oct 13, 2012 10:22:26 PM Ignore malfrog1 Report Abuse maybe it will happen
Dragnet Champion Author Arizona Posts:15,406 Points:2,908,760 Joined:Jul 2004	Message Posted: Oct 13, 2012 10:22:08 PM Ignore Dragnet Report Abuse Ancient News
crreed1 Champion Author West Virginia Posts:1,985 Points:2,526,335 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: Oct 13, 2012 10:21:48 PM Ignore crreed1 Report Abuse old news
gumbyrex Champion Author Fresno Posts:3,296 Points:758,315 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Oct 13, 2012 10:21:42 PM Ignore gumbyrex Report Abuse Isn't this a form of collusion?
Zonk Champion Author Michigan Posts:6,481 Points:2,102,015 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Oct 13, 2012 10:21:27 PM Ignore Zonk Report Abuse I can't believe Ford would sign-up with a loser.
tatarg Rookie Author Atlanta Posts:89 Points:472,615 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Oct 13, 2012 10:21:22 PM Ignore tatarg Report Abuse Tell this to jeep too..... Brand new srt8 s ,,5 speed??
VetteFan Champion Author Indiana Posts:9,739 Points:2,028,480 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Oct 13, 2012 10:19:54 PM Ignore VetteFan Report Abuse Great.
1fulltank Champion Author Buffalo Posts:7,903 Points:1,544,310 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Oct 13, 2012 10:19:21 PM Ignore 1fulltank Report Abuse Old news. New, VERY expensive piece of equipment to repair or replace.
boatfloyd Champion Author Jacksonville Posts:1,718 Points:387,975 Joined:Mar 2012	Message Posted: Oct 13, 2012 10:18:44 PM Ignore boatfloyd Report Abuse Go Ford.
Alfied Champion Author Riverside Posts:7,935 Points:1,755,285 Joined:Jun 2001	Message Posted: Oct 13, 2012 10:17:29 PM Ignore Alfied Report Abuse Oh! My!
jwalkerh Champion Author Louisiana Posts:6,127 Points:1,368,720 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Oct 13, 2012 10:17:22 PM Ignore jwalkerh Report Abuse Anything for improved gas milage, especially with the current gas prices...
arb0526 Champion Author Greensboro Posts:1,971 Points:409,645 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Oct 13, 2012 10:16:36 PM Ignore arb0526 Report Abuse So will the cars be known as General Fords?
rollercoaster All-Star Author Hartford Posts:502 Points:567,660 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Oct 13, 2012 10:16:21 PM Ignore rollercoaster Report Abuse great can't wait !!!!
NoGas714 All-Star Author Indiana Posts:740 Points:750,400 Joined:May 2005	Message Posted: Oct 13, 2012 10:16:02 PM Ignore NoGas714 Report Abuse American teamwork. I like it. Just remember, it's us against the world.
Badmoon Champion Author Massachusetts Posts:8,303 Points:1,650,515 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Oct 13, 2012 10:15:20 PM Ignore Badmoon Report Abuse Old news.
sljbc475 Champion Author Tucson Posts:4,215 Points:871,400 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Oct 13, 2012 10:15:15 PM Ignore sljbc475 Report Abuse Improvements needed by all automobile makers.
Quick68 Champion Author Columbus Posts:8,223 Points:1,225,800 Joined:Dec 2009	Message Posted: Oct 13, 2012 10:14:55 PM Ignore Quick68 Report Abuse Ford made the transmissions for the 1965 Pontiac. This is nothing new.
camel1 Champion Author Minnesota Posts:8,265 Points:2,265,640 Joined:Jul 2006	Message Posted: Oct 13, 2012 10:14:27 PM Ignore camel1 Report Abuse illegal collusion?
obimerrill Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:1,440 Points:289,715 Joined:Jul 2012	Message Posted: Oct 13, 2012 10:14:26 PM Ignore obimerrill Report Abuse Good.
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nurdco Champion Author Colorado Springs Posts:9,231 Points:1,694,410 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Oct 13, 2012 10:13:36 PM Ignore nurdco Report Abuse They already use CVT
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Discovery02 Champion Author Colorado Springs Posts:2,550 Points:309,690 Joined:May 2012	Message Posted: Oct 13, 2012 10:10:54 PM Ignore Discovery02 Report Abuse Innovation due to government regulation. Who woulda thunk it?
Blue_Cruzer Champion Author Lexington Posts:7,515 Points:1,668,610 Joined:Mar 2007	Message Posted: Oct 13, 2012 10:10:32 PM Ignore Blue_Cruzer Report Abuse Nine and ten speed transmissions?
pastorpaulcg Champion Author Virginia Posts:3,615 Points:775,785 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Oct 13, 2012 10:09:34 PM Ignore pastorpaulcg Report Abuse Okay
farn1958 All-Star Author Twin Cities Posts:886 Points:183,385 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Oct 13, 2012 10:09:23 PM Ignore farn1958 Report Abuse interesting
Wanda127 Champion Author Florida Posts:2,494 Points:914,030 Joined:May 2010	Message Posted: Oct 13, 2012 10:08:55 PM Ignore Wanda127 Report Abuse This sounds like it might be a good thing.
stpatrickbday Champion Author Albuquerque Posts:1,521 Points:566,450 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Oct 13, 2012 10:08:55 PM Ignore stpatrickbday Report Abuse Just another excuse to raise gas prices.
Bonito Champion Author Dayton Posts:15,747 Points:3,006,920 Joined:Jun 2004	Message Posted: Oct 13, 2012 10:07:53 PM Ignore Bonito Report Abuse Good Bed Brothers???? They never have been!
7SPEEDY7 Champion Author Flint Posts:1,286 Points:604,700 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Oct 13, 2012 10:06:53 PM Ignore 7SPEEDY7 Report Abuse Interesting.....
rahcat Champion Author Grand Rapids Posts:2,468 Points:662,200 Joined:Jan 2010	Message Posted: Oct 13, 2012 10:05:38 PM Ignore rahcat Report Abuse Good idea as long as no government subsidies.
Rageagainsttm Champion Author Tampa Posts:8,298 Points:1,902,005 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: Oct 13, 2012 10:03:26 PM Ignore Rageagainsttm Report Abuse nice
PrinceLH Champion Author Ontario Posts:2,692 Points:538,045 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Oct 13, 2012 10:02:21 PM Ignore PrinceLH Report Abuse Merger?
NedW Champion Author Indianapolis Posts:5,611 Points:1,141,435 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Oct 13, 2012 10:01:39 PM Ignore NedW Report Abuse Oh, wow! I used to make transmissions for both.
goldrose1 Champion Author Cleveland Posts:10,936 Points:1,924,605 Joined:Feb 2005	Message Posted: Oct 13, 2012 9:57:49 PM Ignore goldrose1 Report Abuse synergy!
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LCSTEELERBOB Champion Author Gary Posts:2,961 Points:720,130 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Oct 13, 2012 9:54:29 PM Ignore LCSTEELERBOB Report Abuse might be good
vibdata Champion Author Massachusetts Posts:4,085 Points:848,325 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: Oct 13, 2012 9:54:08 PM Ignore vibdata Report Abuse Somebody better help out with transmissions. Mercury Sable transmission bit it after 24,000 miles and Ford would NOT pay for it. Said car was "too old." Funny that.